Leslie Johnston [00:00:00]:
All right, welcome back, everybody, to Am I Doing this Right? Wow.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:05]:
One pair of clothes. Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:08]:
All December long. So then if you guys want to get us a Christmas gift, you know that we need new.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:13]:
We're poor and we need new clothes. We're gonna get canceled.
Christy Speers [00:00:18]:
Get a brand deal.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:19]:
I'm just like, you're wearing freaking Daily Dress. Yeah. She's like.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:22]:
She did get this on sale, actually. No, they.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:26]:
They. What is sale to them?
Leslie Johnston [00:00:28]:
They screwed us over. I was gonna use a different word that we always use, and I don't think I can use on the podcast, but they really screwed us over on Daily Drills because I bought this sweatshirt and they were like, oh, 50 off. Like, almost everything. Almost in, like, little brackets. So my pants that I got that match this, that I don't even, like, were, like, half off, but then this wasn't. So I was like, what am I gonna get, like a mismatch sweatsuit set?
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:51]:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:53]:
So I did pay full price. More of the story.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:56]:
I paid full price. So you're good. You don't need new clothes.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:00]:
You're just.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:02]:
So you're good. Never mind. Don't send anything. We have Christy on the podcast. Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:07]:
She's like, our honorary third host.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:09]:
You just feel like a part of it.
Christy Speers [00:01:11]:
I appreciate that, you guys.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:12]:
Do you feel like you're a part of it?
Christy Speers [00:01:13]:
I do feel like I'm a part of it Sometimes when you guys have other people on, I'm just like, where am I? Yeah, you're like, where I talk about you a lot, crouching in the back.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:20]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:01:20]:
You're like, where's my invite? Where's my invite?
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:22]:
You're one of those names that people probably just know, like, you're a household.
Christy Speers [00:01:26]:
No, you guys. You guys are the household names. Literally, I'll be at, like, I was on a work call for my husband and I run an education company from people, like, all around the world that are creatives, and we all virtually join in. So, like, not a lot of people local are a part of this. It's like people from everywhere. And literally, one of the people on our calls last week was like, oh, I've just, like, have all this time right now to, like, be listening to podcasts and stuff like that. And I had a great vacation where I just binged a ton of podcasts, and I was like, oh, like, do you have, like, a great podcast thing? She's going to shout out, like, a business podcast or something. She's like, yeah, this really great podcast called Am I Doing this Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:04]:
She. She knew.
Christy Speers [00:02:06]:
She knew that. She knew my connection with Leslie.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:08]:
Right.
Christy Speers [00:02:09]:
But the fact that. But it wasn't like, oh, yeah, like, oh, and I'm listening to your sister's podcast. It was like, yeah, this really great podcast called Am I Doing this right?
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:16]:
There's like 50 people on the call. Oh, my God. It was just so funny.
Christy Speers [00:02:19]:
I was like, you guys are. Guys are becoming the household.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:22]:
Wow. I like it. It makes me feel really good.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:25]:
Honestly, I felt really good. One time we were. I was out in Newport beach, on the beach, and this girl was like, are you from Sweeping the podcast from Jake? She's like, there was a guy named Jake Messer that I know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:39]:
And I don't tell me that.
Christy Speers [00:02:40]:
It kind of gets less fun when there's like a connection. Like.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:42]:
Like, I just want you to find me randomly on Spotify. But honestly, I felt like I was really cool after that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:50]:
That's very fancy. I feel like you're a this. Because you are literally a conversation that we have, like, all. Not anything bad about you. Just like, you're a part of our conversations. Yes.
Christy Speers [00:03:01]:
Like, almost at all times.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:02]:
I was like, oh, my sister Christie, she this gift one time. You. Yeah, yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:06]:
You're just always in it. You're always in it.
Christy Speers [00:03:09]:
Keep it going.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:09]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:10]:
Okay.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:10]:
What's your unpopular opinion?
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:12]:
Okay. You know, you have to have an.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:13]:
Arsenal now, cuz you come on so much.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:15]:
Oh, I know.
Christy Speers [00:03:16]:
No, I have to. I. I knew instantly when I was coming this morning. I was like, oh, they're gonna ask me an unpopular opinion. It came to mind instantly because I was having this. This week. And the best salsa. The best salsa is Pace Medium.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:30]:
Oh, gosh.
Christy Speers [00:03:32]:
Pace Medium is the best salsa. I understand that there's higher quality salsas and more authentic salsas out there, but Pace Medium. I sat down with a bag of. What's the chips, Leslie, that you always get that are the best?
Leslie Johnston [00:03:44]:
Oh, Cantina.
Christy Speers [00:03:45]:
The Cantina super thin. Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:48]:
I forget the name of the.
Christy Speers [00:03:49]:
Not L. That's not like Lays. But I. What is it? Tostitos.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:53]:
Tostitos Tostita.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:55]:
This is probably.
Christy Speers [00:03:56]:
This is probably the whitest girl snack.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:59]:
But you get the Tostitas Tostitos Cantina.
Christy Speers [00:04:04]:
Thin chips with Pace Medium.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:06]:
Just a jar of. Just a jar. Like you don't have to refrigerate.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:10]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:04:11]:
You just sit there and that is the best thing. And. And my unpopular opinion is that's the best. And almost everybody agrees with me. I. Wow. I had. I posted on my Instagram story and I had so many people be like, that is the best, but please don't tell anybody.
Christy Speers [00:04:24]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:25]:
You know, and you. It's like. You're not saying it's the most authentic. You're just saying, no, the best.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:29]:
I'm just saying it's.
Christy Speers [00:04:30]:
I like it so good.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:31]:
It's because it's. You dip the chip in and something actually stays on the chip when you, like, release the chip out of the container. Because I feel like there's a lot of sauces. You dip and you're like, where's the.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:43]:
You have to scoop it. You scoop it.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:45]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:46]:
I want to be in the room while you're eating that, though, because I want to see how much.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:52]:
It'S not.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:53]:
Because we all not be pleased. We all know would not be pleased.
Christy Speers [00:04:57]:
How much does not soup anything.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:00]:
She literally dips the very edge in.
Christy Speers [00:05:04]:
I'm like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:04]:
I'm thinking. I'm like, how is one of your favorite snacks chips and salsa? Because there's no salsa chip. I can guarantee Christy would be the.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:12]:
Type of that, which I used to. This, too. Not anymore, because I now like. Like onions and all that. I feel like she would, like, dip it, but, like, scrape off any of the chunky parts. It's like. She just wants.
Christy Speers [00:05:24]:
It's just a little add of flavor. It's.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:26]:
It reminds me. It reminds me of our niece Amelia, who says she loves. She only wants pepperoni pizza, but she takes off all the pepperonis because she just wants to eat it with, like, the juice.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:37]:
She wants the spice juice on the. She likes the essence. She wants to know the pepperoni. She orders a pepperoni pizza and her.
Christy Speers [00:05:44]:
Mom picks off all the pepperonis because she likes the juice from the pepperoni.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:48]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:05:48]:
Which is honestly disgusting. But I love so many.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:53]:
That's a Johnson gene right there.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:55]:
So funny.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:56]:
That's a great unpopular.
Christy Speers [00:05:58]:
What do you think of paste salsa?
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:59]:
I love pace. I love paste and I. I've never met, like, a. Honestly, I've never met, like, a jarred salsa slash, like, Tostitos that I didn't like.
Christy Speers [00:06:08]:
Mango salsa makes me want to just.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:10]:
Oh, yeah. No, like.
Christy Speers [00:06:11]:
But like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:11]:
But like the good.
Christy Speers [00:06:12]:
Just, like, jarred basic salsa.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:14]:
I'm like, yeah, it's so good. Which is not authentic. It's not authentic. But I'm also.
Christy Speers [00:06:18]:
Well, here.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:18]:
I'm looking it up. Maybe a. It's from Texas.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:22]:
That can be authentic. It can be Texas.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:24]:
Paris. Paris, Texas.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:25]:
Where is it from? From Paris.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:27]:
I don't know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:28]:
Wow.
Christy Speers [00:06:28]:
Paris, Texas.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:29]:
Oh.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:29]:
The brand was founded in San Antonio, Texas. By David Pace.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:34]:
Which David. Tex Mex is David. David is not.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:38]:
Is not sounding authentic.
Christy Speers [00:06:40]:
Not looking.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:44]:
You know what, though? San Antonio, great place to get Mexican food. Great place to get Tex Mex. So I. It could be.
Christy Speers [00:06:50]:
It could be.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:51]:
Tex Mex is way better.
Christy Speers [00:06:53]:
I don't think I've ever had Texas.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:54]:
I hope nobody flames us for this because I am so. Let me rephrase this. When I go on TikTok and I look up, I look up a lot of recipes. Like, right now I'm really trying to find, like, a barbacoa recipe that I can make. I love barbacoa at Chipotle.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:09]:
You know, barbacoa is like skull meat.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:12]:
What?
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:14]:
Are you serious right now? You like barbacoa?
Leslie Johnston [00:07:18]:
Like, the stuff at Barbacoa.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:20]:
I mean, Chipotle barbacoa is the meat from the skull of the cow. Are you for real right now?
Leslie Johnston [00:07:27]:
That's actually so good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:29]:
I did not know that.
Christy Speers [00:07:30]:
I love barbacoa.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:31]:
I mean, I'm just shocked.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:32]:
I just have never.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:33]:
I'm shocked that you would like that.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:36]:
Well, I didn't know where it came from. I just honestly couldn't even tell you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:39]:
I mean, it's good. It's like shredded beef. It's great.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:41]:
Yeah, it's really good.
Christy Speers [00:07:42]:
Yeah, I love it.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:43]:
But school me.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:44]:
I just don't know where you're going to get it from. I don't know where you.
Christy Speers [00:07:47]:
I mean, it's all for the same animal.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:48]:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:07:50]:
You're.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:51]:
You're not being wasteful. You're eating the whole cow. Okay.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:55]:
I don't like that. But I go on TikTok and I want to make like, barbacoa at home.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:58]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:59]:
And all these people, like, bring up their recipes, which look amazing and are like copycat of where wherever they get it from. And everybody's in their comments, like roasting them, that it's not like, authentic enough.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:12]:
But.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:13]:
But like, I just wonder which. I guess if you're saying this is truly authentic, but some of these people are just trying to throw out a barbacoa recipe. And it's like they have to give like 100 disclaimers. Like, yeah, this is my barbacoa recipe, but it's not. Okay. It's not this and it's not from. And I'm like, just give me the recipe. Like my good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:31]:
It's authentic to you.
Christy Speers [00:08:32]:
And that's what.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:33]:
That's what matters. Yeah. That's a great unpopular opinion.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:35]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:08:36]:
Pace salsa.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:38]:
Even though we know that you're just like.
Christy Speers [00:08:39]:
Because the last time I was on the podcast, I said the best type of which I guess there's a theme. I was like, the best hamburger is just a plain McDonald's hamburger, nothing on it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:46]:
This is consistent with that. Yeah, actually realizing I'm really boring leveling up, actually. Salsa is a flavor versus just a plain hamburger with a bun. That's so good. We love having Christy on the podcast. And today, actually, I'm. I'm excited about this conversation because we've been kind of like, talking about this recently, and I think this is a really great topic that lots of Christians struggle with in a variety of ways because we all know there's like, different gifts, different ways of serving in the kingdom of God. There are people that work in the church, there are people that work out of the church doing just as much ministry, but not like, employed by the church.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:28]:
And we've just been talking a lot recently about the idea that when comparison is a huge part of life. And so we just tend to like, look side by side always at what everybody else is doing and how everybody else is doing it. We talked about that a little bit in our last episode too. And we were just talking about how it can be really easy to get into a self discouragement kind of mode when it comes to your purpose in the kingdom of God, in that you think God is only using other people that have, like, bigger gifts, stronger gifts, more like in your face kind of leadership. Like, you might worry about your personality type or your, your skill sets or your traits and think, well, like, that's not really good enough for God to use. Like, God's really only using and partnering with those kinds of people. I'm not one of those people. Or maybe you're in the mindset where you're like, I love ministry, I love the church.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:23]:
But, like, God only really uses the church staff members. God doesn't use, you know, like, lowly me, whatever, or even just like the, the. The comparison of like, man, that person has a cool story and they found redemption in their story and they can use it. But, like, my, my stuff is like, way too gnarly for God to use. And so we're just talking about this idea of, like, who does God include and use in the kingdom of God? Who is useful for the kingdom of God? Yeah. And why is that something where we tend to question that so much and feel so self conscious about it. And we were like, it'd be cool to have Christy come on and talk about this. Because I feel like we were, we were doing rooted last night, the last installment of our rooted 10 week study that Leslie and I have talked about.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:14]:
And we were encouraging people in the last night and the things that people said about you in particular, not to gas you up, but like, that you're such a strong leader, that your biblical wisdom is so awesome, that you can lead guys and girls the same, that you create safe spaces for people to have conversations about Jesus in and all that. To say what's the coolest about that is like, your profession is not working in the church, but you take your role in, as a minister in the kingdom of God so seriously and your gifts are so versatile. And I don't know, it was just like, it'd be cool to have Chrissy's perspective on this conversation. So I guess the first question is, like, why is this something where we tend to be, we tend to be really insecure about, like, can God use me, Will God use me? Or like, my stuff isn't really good enough or like, flashy enough for God to use?
Leslie Johnston [00:12:08]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:08]:
Does it make sense?
Christy Speers [00:12:09]:
Absolutely. I think that this is such an interesting topic because I think it's something I've struggled with my whole life and will probably continue to struggle with forever. Like, I. I think that if you grew up in the church and maybe people that are listening to this can resonate with this. I think sometimes when maybe you come in to the church or a relationship with God later in life, you kind of like, skip this, like, weird step maybe. But I think for us that like, grew up in the church, you grew up hearing about the heroes in the Bible, you know, like, you grow up where you're like, hey, there's like the flannel graph of like Noah and the ark and how he like, saved all the animals.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:43]:
Apparently no people, but.
Christy Speers [00:12:45]:
And like, oh, this, you know, David killed Goliath and this person did this incredible thing and Ruth was amazing and like, all of these amazing stories of like, you look up to these people or like, you look up to pastors and you look up to leaders and speakers and small group leaders and all of these people where you're like, wow, I just see so much like, strength and cool things and like, God's using those people, you know, and like, they're using those people because those people are so strong. And I think when you're growing up in that, it can feel like, well, I want to be that way, right? Like, and I think that there's actually, there's like a prideful side of that where you're like, well, I want to be, like, strong, and I want to be viewed as, like, really important, and I want to feel valid and important. And then I think there's actually, like, a very real, pure side to. I want to be approved by God. Like. Like, I love this God. I love Jesus, and I want him to say, well done and good and faithful servant to me, you know, And I think that there's, like, a really pure side to that. But I think in our own humanness and sin and messed up, we start to try to do certain things and then we realize, oh, shoot, like, I'm actually not good enough to do right, you know, earn approval.
Christy Speers [00:13:59]:
I'm not good enough to be able to be this person, or there's a constant comparison of what you're talking about. I think what that looks like for me when I was younger and still to this day, but definitely when I was younger, especially as I went to college and I was exiting college, like, you grew up in a lot of youth group and, like, Bayside's so cool because they, like, champion young people and they're like, everyone's a leader and everyone's this. And I remember, like, exiting college and being like, what am I going to do with my life? And I remember thinking, like, well, it has to be good enough, you know, like, it's got to be, like, spiritual enough. It's gotta be all these things. So for me, I, like, spent a while being like, well, I need to go into ministry. Like, I grew up in a family of people who are all in ministry, pastors, like, all of this stuff. And I, like, tried it out and I, like, bombed.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:44]:
It was so bad.
Christy Speers [00:14:45]:
It was like I went and interned for this, like, campus ministry and, like, a wonderful campus ministry. But it felt like every single thing that I ever did, like, never worked out. It was like, oh, you try to, like, go run this event. You try to, like, share your faith.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:00]:
Try to do these.
Christy Speers [00:15:00]:
All these things. And it just felt like it was constantly, like, hitting a, like, closed door is what it felt like. It just felt so out of, like, my gifting and out of all these things. And I just remember being like, oh, no, I am not a leader. I am not. Like, I am just not chosen by God. Like, oh, what am I going to do? Like, I actually hate what I'm doing. Like, I actually don't like leading this small group of junior hires.
Christy Speers [00:15:26]:
Like, I don't like doing all of these different things. And I remember kind of feeling like, whoa, there's like, this deficiency in me. But I had this thing where I was like, I just gotta suffer through it because if I want to be approved by God and I want my life to mean something, I just gotta, like, suck it up. And like, I see other people finding so much joy and excitement and like, spiritual gifting in it. And I just remember being like, what the heck? Why do I, like, hate going to church on a Wednesday night to, like, lead this group? Like, I shouldn't feel this way.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:51]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:15:52]:
And then middle school is a tough age.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:54]:
I was gonna say. Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:15:55]:
Honestly. Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:56]:
The real spiritual heroes out there in.
Christy Speers [00:15:58]:
Middle school, which is tough. But then I got into business out of just like necessity of needing to pay student loans. And it was all sudden, like, everything was clicking. It was like I got into photography. I started that, like, blew up within like six months. I had a full time business. Like, I was working with all these people and it was like the most incredible thing. But I had this moment where I was like, am I just, like, living in the world? Like, am I like, falling into, like, oh, what the world tells you is like, good for you.
Christy Speers [00:16:24]:
And then like, over here is this, like, ministry route that I actually, like, don't feel aligned with at all. But I want to please God. And I remember going to this church service. I was shooting a wedding in Santa Barbara and I went to this church service one Sunday morning after the wedding. And I remember I was in the church service and I'm like, so distraught inside, like, where you just have these like, moments in your life where you're just like, okay, God, like, I will give, I will give up my business for you. Like, I understand. Like, I love this and this is so cool. But, like, I will give this up and go back into, like, just full time ministry if that's what you want.
Christy Speers [00:16:56]:
Thinking God was going to be like, thank you for finally laying it down. Yes, please quit your business. Please go back into full time ministry. And it was weird because I don't feel like I hear the voice of God a lot. But I felt like in that time, in that moment, I had this, like, very clear message feel like, come into my head from God being like, that is the ministry that I have for you right now. Like, the business is the ministry. And I want you to go full force into that. And I felt like so much freedom of like, oh, my word.
Christy Speers [00:17:25]:
Like, this is crazy. And I feel so much like this weight lifted off of me. And then that has led into obviously a like, full adventure with God of like, what does it look like, to be in. In the world and also love God and also use my business as a ministry to help people understand more about themselves and about their relationship with God and what that actually looks like. So anyways, long winded answer, but so good. I feel like that has been a constant struggle for me is, like, this weird, like, both thing, you know, of, like, figuring out, like, how do you actually come to terms with wanting to please God, but then also figuring out, like, how does God actually wired me, you know?
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:07]:
Right. Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:18:08]:
It's just interesting.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:09]:
It's funny because I feel like Christy, I joke with her sometimes that I feel like she was doing more ministry than I was and I was in ministry. Like, she. Especially during her, like, wedding season business. I felt like you were getting into contact with couples that, like, were not Christians and you were not, and you weren't, like, in their face about this or whatever. But it's like, you were a Christian and you were honest about it online. You would encourage them. Like, you acted as that role to them. Yeah, and I was like, I watched her because I did a lot of second shooting with Christy, and I was like, dang, this is ministry.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:49]:
Like, it does not have to be in a church in this context. It can be in anything. And it's like, we're called to, like, be a light to the world. And it's like, if you're not in somewhere that's dark, there's no light. Like, if you're a light, it's like, oh, you're gonna be a light over with all the Christians like that, they don't. There's no darkness there. Like, you have to be in a spot where actually, like, you are the light of the world. And so I think just for anybody listening, it's like, you don't have to be in ministry.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:21]:
And it's funny because I felt the same way. Like, I'm in ministry, and I was like, I can't keep leading this. Some of these small groups that I'm leading.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:29]:
Or.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:29]:
Yeah, I just, like, didn't find joy in that. Which is funny, because it was like, I was so ingrained in me growing up that if you were gonna be a leader and a good Christian, then you always had to be a small group leader. You always had to do, like, X, Y, and Z. And I've realized in the last, like, 10 years of, oh, my gosh, I need to stop listening to what everybody else is telling me is the right way to be a Christian. And, like, I mean, obviously, anything that leads into sin is a Sin. But I think with our faith, like, I have found so much more ministry in what I'm doing now. Like, even in my job, even in, like this podcast, even in our small group now with people more my age and like, how I'm relating to them than what I used to think. Like, I honestly thought you're only a good Christian if you're in youth ministry.
Leslie Johnston [00:20:25]:
It was like, if you are in youth ministry, you're a real Christian. Like, and it's funny that sometimes I think God goes, sure, try those things out. I, I honestly just think everyone needs to try out different areas of ministry. And then you figure out, okay, what's the spot where it clicks? Because this clicks for me. Like, what I'm doing right now clicks for me and is not. There's never a moment I'm even like, oh, I don't want to go to our young adult small group. Or I don't want to go do this podcast, or I don't want to, like, reach out to this person that I'm. I'm meeting with one on.
Leslie Johnston [00:21:02]:
It's like, there's just, I wish I could go back and be like, you do not have to fit a mold that, like, God didn't never meant for you to fit into. Like, he has other things. But if we can step outside our own pride of being like, hey, that doesn't work for me, but this does. I think there's so much that can come from that and then encouragement for other people to go, oh, I don't.
Christy Speers [00:21:23]:
Have to look exactly like anybody else. I remember, like, I think that is so, like, poignant of, like, there are people and well meaning Christians, but there is like a toxicity that can happen when there is like, oh, well, my way is like the only way. Or like, my way's the real way. Like, I remember thinking, I remember I was in a ministry setting, not at Bayside, but somewhere else. And I remember they were recruiting for a missions trip. And I remember they were like, okay, like, everyone needs to go on this mission trip, whatever. And I just was like, I just genuinely like, don't want to go. I don't feel like I should go.
Christy Speers [00:22:02]:
I just felt like, kind of like, oh, no, like, that's okay. Like, that's not an opportunity that I'm going to take advantage of. And I remember one of the girls meeting with me and was like, you're being disobedient by not going. And like, if you kind of like real Christians would do this. And I just remember feeling so guilty and so like, Am I running away from God? Like, am I having a Jonah moment? Like, am I just like gonna get eaten up by a fish on the way home to like Christmas? And I remember being so distressed and then I realized like, and this isn't all Christians or anything like that, but like, there is sometimes like a benefit that someone else gets from recruiting people. And there can be a toxicity that can happen when people start weaponizing conviction. That's not actual godly conviction, but more like, well, you need to be doing this similar to like the, yeah, like when people from youth group want to fill up the youth group, you know, volunteers. And that's great and that's awesome.
Christy Speers [00:22:56]:
But like God's going to like reap the harvest of like, what? Like the workers need to go out. That's what they're doing. That's good, right? And that's not a bad thing. But being sensitive to the spirit of going, okay, but what are the yeses God wants me to say yes to? And like, how do I not be stingy about my yeses? I think you should try things and find your giftings. But like then being confident of like where God has you and what God has you to do. Because every person, and this is what I've just realized it is not like a blanket. Like, oh yes, every Christian is going to look the same and you're either in or you're out. And like you're either used by God and chosen or you're not.
Christy Speers [00:23:31]:
And you're just meant to like give money to the people that are chosen. And I just. There's this Catholic nun named Peg Dolan and she says, I love this quote she has. She says every, every life is a word of God spoken only once. And how you have a specific, unique partnership with God in making all things new. But it's specific to you and how every person is so unique. And I'm like, that is so true. I think it's important to listen to conviction because the Holy Spirit will tell you when you need to go do something and you're not doing it and he will hound you for it.
Christy Speers [00:24:08]:
But wait for the conviction to come from that rather than like internal pressure to try to please like the people pleasing side of Christianity, you know, so good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:24:19]:
It's funny because if you were to think, I love the question, like, who is God saying that well done, good and faithful servant to? Because you were saying, like, everybody wants God to say that to them. So we're all searching for like this approval from God of God's happy with My work, my contribution. And it's funny because you think about all of the famous Christians right now, like, some of the most famous Christians, Francis Chan or like, you know, whoever. Judah Smith or Billy. Billy Graham was one of them. Like everybody who's famously Christian. And what's funny about that is, like, our current take on that. Most of the names you would pull up are people that you've heard speak at a conference or they have a really great teaching voice.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:01]:
They have this kind of like personality skill set that feels really heroic. But then when you were talking about the Old Testament heroes of the faith.
Christy Speers [00:25:09]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:10]:
Like Adam and Abraham and I guess Eve's not really the hero of the story. Thanks, sister. But like Noah. And it's funny because you know that they're heroes of the faith because they're written down. But if we were to go backwards into what their personalities were like and what they were doing. Yeah. They were not all cut from the same cloth. Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:31]:
Like Adam and Eve. Their occupation was gardening. Like, that's what they did. Yeah. It was before there was even an option. It sounds amazing.
Christy Speers [00:25:42]:
Animals all day.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:43]:
Yes. Literally, that was their job. And. Yeah. And their work was a huge part of, like, how God created them, how God created the world. And at that point in time, there wasn't even an option of like, go into. You're the first ones. There's no ministry.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:57]:
Don't speak to. It's you, it's just you.
Christy Speers [00:26:00]:
And then whoever you create.
Leslie Johnston [00:26:01]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:01]:
Yeah. And so their job was garden tending. And that was the job that God gave them. Right. Like you look into Abraham and what he did when he was called by God. And it was like his occupation wasn't ministry. Like Moses, when you look at his life, he was called arguably, I think, to do one of the more. One of the more public facing callings of that time.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:24]:
And he was a horrible speaker. Yeah. But that wasn't the gift that he was valued for.
Christy Speers [00:26:29]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:30]:
And he was immediately insecure when he was called. He was like, God, send somebody else. Or eventually God finally gave him his brother Aaron, because at least Aaron had a better speaking voice. He was like a little bit more like, woo with the people. Moses, I don't think was a likable guy. Like, he wasn't someone that was easy to follow. And yet he was called to serve in this way. So it's just this reminder of like, I think we, we tend to like, give the famous Christians of today this, like, pedestal of you're serving the most.
Christy Speers [00:26:57]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:58]:
And I'm not serving that much. But for some reason, all these famous names all have the same set of gifts, and that's doing us a disservice. Because if you look backwards into all the patriarchs who built the faith, that was a diverse range of gifts. And actually, I don't know one of them off the top of my head, other than the New Testament epistle writers who had great saints speaking voices or who were like, upfront personality types. Like, a lot of them were probably introverts. They were business people. Like, yeah, Deborah was a judge, Phoebe was a businesswoman. Like, there were people that were doing ministry, but their occupation and their personality type were not the kind that you're thinking of.
Christy Speers [00:27:38]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:27:39]:
And so I think you kind of have to rework that question in your brain. You're like, like, like, are you ask. If you're asking yourself, like, who is God saying, well done, good and faithful servant to? I think you have this list in your head that might only be one category of person. So who. Who are the people that God is saying that to? Like, yeah, what. What are their. Like, what are their skill sets? What are their gifts? Is it bigger or more, you know, inclusive than we think or. Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:04]:
You know what I'm saying?
Christy Speers [00:28:05]:
Yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah, go ahead.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:08]:
I was gonna say, I think that verse in my mind is like speaking to people who are being faithful with what God has given them.
Christy Speers [00:28:18]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:19]:
And I think it's. It's not a. Just push so you can become the best speaker possible. Like, or just push so you can become something that you're not. Or, like, try to fix all your weaknesses.
Christy Speers [00:28:32]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:33]:
I think. I think there's a time and a place for God to be like, hey, I'm going to help you. Let's overcome some weaknesses. Let's move past those things that are causing you to stumble. But I also think God goes, I'm asking you to be faithful with what I've given you. And that is the personality he's giving you and the gifts that he's given you. I mean, when you become a Christian, talks about how you literally are given spiritual gifts. Everybody is.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:00]:
So sometimes I think we do need to start going, wait, what are those gifts? And how can I use them in the context that God has given me? I think that's being faithful with your gifts.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:10]:
And what are yours? Because, like, you.
Christy Speers [00:29:12]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:12]:
Was sisters. Peg. Peggy.
Christy Speers [00:29:14]:
Peggy. Peggy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:16]:
Peg Dolan.
Christy Speers [00:29:16]:
Yeah, Peggy, Peg.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:18]:
Because she's like, it's. It's your fingerprint.
Christy Speers [00:29:19]:
Like, it's yes to you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:21]:
It can't be Replicated. It can't be you copying somebody else. It has to be your thing.
Christy Speers [00:29:24]:
Yeah, yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:25]:
So going like, what are the gifts that God has given you? And how do you, how are you being faithful with those?
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:30]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:31]:
And, and also I think there's another layer of like, what has God given you in your life? Is it family, relationships, kids? Like, whatever your scenario is, I think God's going, I gave that to you. Now be a faithful steward of those things. I think we overcomplicate our life in this way where because of, like modern Christianity, we think certain people's gifts are better than ours. When I think if we all went back to probably when this all first started, it's like, oh, no, everyone's just like, they're all stewarding with what they have. And there probably wasn't as much comparison, but I think going, okay, let me take stock of my life, what God has entrusted to me at this moment, and the gifts he's given me. How can I marry those two things and use those gifts? I feel like that's being a faithful servant.
Morgan May Treuil [00:30:20]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great point. Yeah, yeah.
Christy Speers [00:30:24]:
I think also, like, decommercializing it as well. Like, it can be so easy with, I think, like, yeah, looking up to like, people currently and being like, oh, like I want to be exactly like this person that gets a bunch of like, acclaim and like recognition and all of this stuff. And that verse that we were talking about earlier that at the end of Ephesians, we're Bayside's right now finishing a series on Ephesians, and the very last one is about this guy named Tyches, which is a tough name and no wonder he wasn't famous. Much easier than Paul. But he's all about just like delivering the message to people. And I think it, it's interesting to go like, okay, how do we actually go back to that time and like, how do we not emulate the life of other people? But we go, God, what have you designed for me? And how do I try my best to just submit everything to you? Because we look up at the heroes of the faith and I'm like, okay, if we look at the heroes of the faith in the Bible that are the well done people, not only were they like, in a lot of ways not talented in some ways, they were also like murderers, prostitutes, people who killed other people, people that were not faithful in a lot of ways in their life towards God, and yet somehow they've gotten this well done, good and faithful servant. And I think it's interesting to look at that and go, like, God, it looks like. And especially the disciples, he chose, right? People cutting off ears all the time.
Christy Speers [00:32:00]:
People fighting over, like, who's better, who gets to. Who gets to sit next to Jesus in heaven. Like, they're literally fighting over the craziest things. And I'm like, and God still chooses those people and chooses to also highlight those things in scripture to go, look, all of these people should be disqualified. You know, like, David should be disqualified. He literally had an affair and killed the man of the woman that he had an affair with. And he. And some people would say he was actually.
Christy Speers [00:32:26]:
That was like, a very inappropriate thing they did with Bashy, but it wasn't her fault. Right? So, like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:31]:
Right.
Christy Speers [00:32:31]:
That would instantly cancel any person you just talked about.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:35]:
Right?
Christy Speers [00:32:35]:
And I'm like, we think about that and we go, okay. Like, being a well done, good and faithful servant does not mean being immune to sin and being immune to having a past or immune to not having a past that you feel like would help you to, like, achieve this, like, strong spiritual stance in life. And I think it's more about, like, how do we consistently surrender everything to God, everything about us, everything about our weaknesses, and go, God, use my weakness. One of my, like, favorite quotes. I don't know who it's from. I've just heard it like a million times. But it's like, don't try to give God your strength. Like, he already has all of that, but give him your weakness.
Christy Speers [00:33:16]:
He has none of that. And I think of, like, the most powerful moments, I think, in so many people's lives is when they open up about their weakness and they open about their struggle, and they're like, here's just where I am and here's how God has come in and saved me. And, like, that's the stuff that, like, in my opinion, is the stuff that God looks on and goes, good job.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:37]:
Like, yeah. You know when you go in for a job interview and they ask you what your greatest strength is?
Christy Speers [00:33:42]:
That I care too much.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:43]:
Yeah, that I care too much.
Christy Speers [00:33:44]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:45]:
And it's like, that's. It's kind of like the. The upside down kingdom effect of, like, with God, you walk into the job interview and he's like, what's your greatest strength? And actually, your answer is just, my weakness is my greatest strength. Because, yeah, it's. I'm meant to partner with you, right?
Christy Speers [00:33:59]:
Like, yeah, if you feel like you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:01]:
Bring God all of your strength, actually your usefulness is not that useful because God's the one that has the strength and wants to use it. I think that is really, really powerful because you're talking to two different people. You're talking to the people right now that. That don't feel like their skill set or their personality type is useful for the kingdom of God, when actually it is. Yeah, because. Because it's a whole. Like, that's why we're called the body of Christ. Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:29]:
The body doesn't just have heads or eyes or toes or, you know, arms. Like, it's got all the different parts and they all serve different functions. And if you think about the way that a human body is made, some parts of the body are visible and some parts of the body are invisible, but they exist. Right. And so it's this idea of, like, what, what would it. Like, would you be okay with the fact that maybe your role is not a, like, super visible role within the kingdom of God? Like, does that make it any less useful?
Christy Speers [00:35:00]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:00]:
So the question is, like, I think one. One litmus test question when you're talking about, like, I haven't found my purpose. I feel like I'm not useful for the kingdom. I don't have these certain set of gifts. Are you okay with the fact that your role might not be a fame role, it might be a faithfulness role? Yeah. Because actually none of the roles are fame roles. There's only one person who's supposed to be famous, and that's Jesus. Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:21]:
So the rest of our. Our roles are all supposed to be. Did I steward well, what I had.
Christy Speers [00:35:25]:
Yes. Right?
Leslie Johnston [00:35:25]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:26]:
And then you're talking to the people that are like, but my background is way too messy in order to be used and not in a cute way. Like, some people have cute, messy backgrounds, cute testimonies. Mine's not cute. Mine's like the. The gnarliest of kinds. Yeah. But actually those are the most powerful. It's the David stories that are the ones that set us the most free when we read them.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:46]:
Right. But he had to go through the public shame of being talked, which, thankfully, he probably wasn't around when we were writing about him. But yeah, it's like, oh, it. It's really who you think God will use and who God says good and faithful servant to will be very different than what you think. Yeah. And everything about, like, the tight chickist or tight. Whatever his name is. Thai guy.
Christy Speers [00:36:09]:
Thai guy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:10]:
His story is so cool because he's mentioned briefly. You have to go do research to figure out who he even was. So clearly his contribution wasn't about him being Famous, right? Yeah. It was about him being faithful.
Christy Speers [00:36:22]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:23]:
And his gifts weren't the same as Paul's.
Christy Speers [00:36:25]:
Yeah, yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:26]:
That's just a.
Christy Speers [00:36:27]:
And it really is not about the amount of contribution because, like, you look at the, the. The parable or if it's the literal story, I can't remember in the New Testament where it's like the widow comes in and she's got like, her little might that she gives, like her small amount of monetary value. And then there's someone who goes and gives, but it does not sacrificially mean anything to that person. And God's like, this woman pleases me. You know, like, this is true contribution, even though it's technically less than someone else. And you think about people who are disabled, you think about people who are maybe disabled of spirit or, you know, living with some type of disadvantage. And I think that sometimes those contributions actually mean more in the kingdom of God than, like, the. Look how cool.
Christy Speers [00:37:14]:
I've done this, this and this. Or I've developed this crazy thing.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:18]:
Well, it's the perfect.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:19]:
I love that he uses talents and the, the. The finances piece of it. Because the illustration behind that is that it's not.
Leslie Johnston [00:37:28]:
It's.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:28]:
It's not descriptive of what it was. It's just that it was all that you had.
Christy Speers [00:37:32]:
Yeah, it was all that she had.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:33]:
It wasn't. Yeah, it was like, I like that. That's the, the illustration that God used. It's all about, like, the, the monetary value. And what that means for your personality or for your gifts is it's not one type of gift versus another gift. It's. Did you give the gift that you had?
Christy Speers [00:37:47]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:48]:
But a lot of people are kind of walking around, like, not doing that because they're comparing it to a different gift.
Christy Speers [00:37:55]:
Yeah. Like, it's not enough.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:56]:
It's not enough. Yeah. Not effective enough.
Christy Speers [00:37:59]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:59]:
Not what the church.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:00]:
Please. With that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:00]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:38:01]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:01]:
Not pleased with it.
Christy Speers [00:38:02]:
Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:02]:
I. I love, I love that God is very countercultural.
Christy Speers [00:38:07]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:07]:
Like, I love that he's like, you know what? I like her gift better. Smaller.
Christy Speers [00:38:11]:
Like, I just love smaller G. Better than your baby?
Leslie Johnston [00:38:14]:
Yes. Like, I literally love that we live in such like, an upside down thing. And what I love. Okay. I've always thought about, like, you know, the, the verse that's talked about a lot when you're growing up where it's like everybody. The bot. Not the body parts. Like, every body part matters.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:33]:
Which they do. Which they do. Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:35]:
But I've always thought about that, like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:37]:
Yeah, yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:37]:
Yeah, like, yeah, that just makes people feel better. Like, I've always thought, like, okay, but I don't want the part that's not seen. Like, I always thought about, like, but it's so unfair. Like, the people who get to be on stage get. So they, like, get those great feelings of feeling, like, encouraged and used and all this stuff. And it always felt like, yeah, yeah, everything matters. But, like, how come I can't have the gifts that seem like they bring the most fulfillment? And I think in this podcast, I've realized, like, when you were talking about it, when you were talking about it, that, like, the fulfillment actually when you're using your gifts and you feel like God is pleased with you is a way better fulfillment than any outside world. Chatter that's fulfilling you.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:26]:
Like, that momentarily might be nice, but it goes away so quick. And I think the feeling of going, oh, I'm walking in my gifts right now and I am stewarding what I have well. And this, like, I feel like the, the peace that God gives you in that far outweighs.
Morgan May Treuil [00:39:45]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:46]:
Anybody with a flashy gift. And not that the flashy gifts are bad, those are good gifts and they probably feel that fulfillment from God when they're walking in that. But I just think we need to start going instead of talking like, oh, yeah, some gifts are a big deal and they will get more. But you have a good gift of, you know, opening the door for somebody.
Christy Speers [00:40:07]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:08]:
Putting out chairs.
Christy Speers [00:40:09]:
Like, and you know what?
Leslie Johnston [00:40:11]:
Eventually you just need to know your gifts are going to be in heaven. And it's like, yeah, no, I think that actually, like, if we really are looking at ourselves and our gifts, it's like, we need to stop comparing gifts that will mean more and feel better in life. Because I think if we really are walking correctly in our gifts, God, I think, will give you that peace and fulfillment that far outweighs what the world would think is flashy and cool.
Christy Speers [00:40:37]:
And I think for those listening that are like, okay, this all sounds awesome, and, like, I do wanna live. Like, I do wanna live in my gifting. I do wanna live what God is, like, asking me to do. But, like, I'm just so stuck because I don't know, like, what does that person do?
Leslie Johnston [00:40:56]:
I mean, super practically, I feel like there are. There are tests you can take on spiritual gifts. I think there's. I think it's great to talk with people, to go, like, what do you see in me? Like, and start asking people, like, like, we've been doing our. This thing with our friends For a while, we did it with our family growing up, but every birthday, we affirm the person. So, like, we. And everybody goes. Like, everybody goes around, and for like, a minute or so, they just talk about what they see in that person.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:26]:
And that has helped me hone in my giftings, because I start to go, oh, wow, I didn't even know that in myself, but now I feel confident to walk forward in that. So I think asking other people, I mean, obviously asking God to reveal those things to you and give you opportunities, but I think through prayer and talking with others, you can start to figure out what your giftings kind of are.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:46]:
Yeah, yeah. Thai guy, when in his brief mention at the end of Ephesians, it talks about how he was a connector. He was a message carrier. Like, literally, like, bringing a message, because Paul was writing from prison, so he had to act as a messenger. And then he was also an interim pastor, so he would take, like, he would take turns at different churches where the pastor wasn't there. Right. Yeah. And what's funny about that is, like, all of those things that we're talking about don't actually sound like Thai guy's strongest gifts that he's, like, made to do.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:20]:
They all kind of sound like holes that needed to be filled.
Christy Speers [00:42:23]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:23]:
And then he kind of just jumped and filled them. And then they're like, man, Ty is the best connector. He's the best encourager. And so I do think that that's probably something. Not that the holes that need filling are your ultimate calling, because sometimes you're called just to, like, see a need, fill a need, and then you learn something about yourself in the process. But that is a great way to learn something about yourself is like, if you're. If you're sitting in a. In a space where you see a need that needs to be filled and you can jump in and start doing it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:52]:
That's a great way to learn yourself. Yeah. And to start doing something. And a lot of times the opportunities that are available to you and around you are the things that God is positioning you for. But a lot of people reject those things because they're waiting for something that feels. Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:43:10]:
A little better, a little flashier.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:12]:
Like.
Christy Speers [00:43:12]:
Yeah, you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:13]:
You're delaying, leading this small group because what you actually want to do is, like, preach the message on the weekend and it's right. That's not the opportunity that's available. This one is.
Christy Speers [00:43:23]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:23]:
And could it be that in God's sovereignty, he's allowed for you to intersect with this opportunity at this Point in time.
Leslie Johnston [00:43:29]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:29]:
And maybe it gets your yes for a season so you can see what it feels like.
Christy Speers [00:43:33]:
And God uses seasons of obscurity before he will ever. Before he will ever promote somebody in his promotion. I think there's many people out there that are promoted because they promoted themselves. Yes, that's very evident. And not that those. And not that that actually isn't a purpose in itself. Because if Christ is preached, who cares?
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:53]:
Yes.
Christy Speers [00:43:54]:
But there is like sometimes seasons of obscurity, seasons of hard, where you actually feel like, I'm not even in my gifting at all. And like, this is actually just really hard. And I feel like I'm in a cave somewhere. And that's very indicative to so many leaders in the Old and New Testament of going through seasons of refinement where it feels like you don't get any recognition, you don't get any feedback. You actually feel like you're not working in out things at all. And I'm like, those seasons are good too. Like, those seasons actually like grow deep roots of faith that you will need for when you do have recognition and you're getting blown around by all this encouragement and all this stuff. But if you don't have the deep roots of like, oh, I know where this is all really coming from.
Christy Speers [00:44:35]:
I know where this power is actually coming. It's not from me. Yeah, you'll get blown and tossed every which way. Yeah, yeah. Which is so cool. So I feel like, yeah, if like, this has been so helpful for me even and this is something I've been trying to do recently where I've felt like, okay, either like, I can't overcome this fear or I can't overcome this sin, or I can't overcome, like, what the heck do I do with like, purpose and all that stuff instead of like just trying to like, stiff arm, like, let's get it done. I feel like I've been praying like three steps behind where I'm at currently, where I will go. Like, okay, God, like, help me to want to know.
Christy Speers [00:45:13]:
Like, help me to want to not sin rather than like, God, help me not sin. Like, whatever. It's like, help me to want. Help me with my desires.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:23]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:45:23]:
And like, help me with this. And I think that can be applicable for someone trying to find their purpose. Like, God, just like, help me to start even thinking about this. Like, please send me someone, please drop a book in my lap that's gonna help me. Like, just like asking for help from God is like, I think the best way to get started too yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:41]:
So good.
Christy Speers [00:45:42]:
What do we do with that? But I know we're running out of time, but.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:44]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:45:45]:
This is such a fun conversation.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:46]:
I know. I love it. I'm like, I wonder. Someone who'd be fun to talk to you about this at some point would be like a Nick Kane.
Christy Speers [00:45:52]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:53]:
Because Nick Kane is so impactful in his local church and in a 21. And he's a very strong leader. And you talk to him and he's, like, so good and fierce with people. Like, his gifts are very, very strong. And then you're married to Christine Kane. Like, that's like, you have to know, like, what your things are and then be like, these are my things, and I kind of crush these things. Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:46:15]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:15]:
It'd be good to talk to someone like that, too, where you're like, okay. Your satisfaction doesn't come from, like, being the person, but neither does her.
Christy Speers [00:46:22]:
Right. Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:46:22]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:22]:
It'd be cool to, like, do it almost like a. Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:46:25]:
Series where you just like, I should do that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:26]:
That are so strong in their thing.
Christy Speers [00:46:29]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:46:29]:
But it's always the flashy thing. No.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:31]:
Right?
Leslie Johnston [00:46:32]:
No, that's cool.
Christy Speers [00:46:33]:
Not at all.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:33]:
I would love that.
Christy Speers [00:46:34]:
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:35]:
Thanks, Christy, for coming on this.
Christy Speers [00:46:37]:
Thanks for having me.
Morgan May Treuil [00:46:38]:
Like, so good. And I hope the practical takeaway for people like lands of, there are ways to figure out you, but it has to be you. And God wants your all, not, like, some version of someone else's all that theirs. It's theirs to give, not yours.
Leslie Johnston [00:46:55]:
And if you're in a season where you're like, I am in that, you know, lion's den season where nothing is fun, it's not working. That God is going to use that season, and that season will be forever.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:07]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:08]:
So, yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:09]:
People who've come out of that season, you talk to them, they never regretted that.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:12]:
No.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:12]:
Like, going through it or they never. They never wish away the obscurity season. They never do. They are always like, that built me.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:18]:
And take advantage of that season.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:20]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:20]:
Because I think you can go through a wilderness season and not build any roots.
Christy Speers [00:47:25]:
Yeah. Totally.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:27]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:28]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:47:28]:
So good. Thanks for having me.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:30]:
All right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:30]:
Wow. That was so good. I felt inspired. I felt we're ready to go.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:33]:
Yeah.
Christy Speers [00:47:34]:
Ready to go lead a junior high small group. I know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:36]:
I'm like, all the middle school, all of a sudden, we are group leaders.
Christy Speers [00:47:40]:
Small group leaders. Don't hear us.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:41]:
Don't hear.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:43]:
Not middle school.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:44]:
But know your gifts and then walk in it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:47]:
All right.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:48]:
Love you guys.
Morgan May Treuil [00:47:48]:
Bye.
Leslie Johnston [00:47:49]:
Bye.