Morgan May Treuil [00:00:00]:
Okay, welcome back to Am I Doing this Right? Leslie and Morgan here with We're Here, a little episode for your Monday.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:09]:
I feel like a boss when I sit like this.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:11]:
Your outfit is very cute. Where is this vest from?
Leslie Johnston [00:00:13]:
Okay, this is my new favorite purchase. Do you know. Okay, it's not this. Before anybody judges me, do you know the store American Vintage?
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:22]:
No.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:23]:
It has, I think, the cutest clothes, the cutest, most expensive clothes, and they have a vest that's like this fleece. It's a little nicer than this one, but same idea. Guess how much it is.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:34]:
How much the American vintage one is.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:36]:
It's just like a fleece vest.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:38]:
Well, my guess is that you're going to say it's like something crazy, like 70 or 80 or something dollars. How much is it?
Leslie Johnston [00:00:47]:
$245.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:49]:
$245.
Leslie Johnston [00:00:50]:
I'm glad you guessed under because I was afraid you were like, for the vest. 700 for the best. The vest. Now, I tried it on.
Morgan May Treuil [00:00:56]:
How much is this one?
Leslie Johnston [00:00:57]:
This one is from Old Navy, and it's $20.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:00]:
Oh, my gosh, I'm crazy.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:03]:
It comes in different colors, too.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:05]:
Wait, I need to go to old navy.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:06]:
It's $30 in the store. $20 if you get online. But then there's shipping, so basically I should say it's 30.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:12]:
Did you order that online?
Leslie Johnston [00:01:14]:
No, I got it in store down in Newport.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:16]:
I need to go to Old Navy and Gap.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:18]:
I know Michael got a matching one. So we have matching. Wait.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:21]:
Okay. That's so fun. That's really cute.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:23]:
I really like it. And I. To be honest, I've wanted the American vintage one forever, but I'm like, I'm never spending. I mean, people can spend what they want. I have no judgment over that. But I'm like, I personally will not be spending 245.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:35]:
No.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:35]:
On a vest.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:37]:
On a vest. That's like a fleece vest.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:38]:
Yeah. So I love it. It's nice and cute.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:41]:
That's really cute. So was there lots of cute stuff at Old Navy?
Leslie Johnston [00:01:45]:
No.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:45]:
Oh, it wasn't just about this.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:47]:
We went for the vest. He saw it online and he saw.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:49]:
It and was like, let's go to gas.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:51]:
Let's go to gas.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:52]:
Or Old Navy. I am.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:53]:
I feel like Gap has some cute stuff.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:55]:
Gap has great stuff. And I'm torn because this is my favorite time of year to shop.
Leslie Johnston [00:01:58]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:01:59]:
Because I just love the even. I was at Walmart yesterday and I was like, there's such cute stuff at Walmart right now. No, Walmart actually has really cute clothes.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:08]:
Whoa.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:09]:
Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like you.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:11]:
Feel gross when you, like, go into Walmart.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:14]:
If you go into Walmart.
Leslie Johnston [00:02:15]:
That sounds really fun, but I just like, I can't. I can't do it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:18]:
The first boss is going into Walmart. The second boss is touching the clothes that are in Walmart. This third. Third boss is coming home and putting them in the washing machine. Where all your other clothes go. No, but like, actually they make pretty cute clothes and. And same thing with Target. Like, there's like some good stuff, but I.
Morgan May Treuil [00:02:37]:
This is my favorite time to shop because I love, like a fleece pullover. I love a sweater. I love all those things. But I'm so torn because I feel like I don't know how to anticipate what my body's gonna do after I give birth. And so you just like. I haven't bought anything new other than maternity things for the past nine months. Just because you don't want to waste a purchase on a body type that's not typically yours. Yeah, so I'm kind of like, waiting, but I don't know, I think it's.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:03]:
I mean, baby's coming soon, so I think you should shop.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:06]:
I feel like I should too.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:07]:
Have to look forward to.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:08]:
There's this like TikTok fleece zip up jacket that looks so cute, has like a high collar, really fun. And then the baby goes in. A carrier is on your chest, and then they have a separate piece of fabric that you can zip in between your two zippers that like, holds the baby in place. But it creates one continuous jacket. Like one continuous cute, cute, like, zip up jacket. And I'm like, I really want it. But I also worry that the quality is not great because it's a TikTok jacket.
Leslie Johnston [00:03:36]:
I just feel like I can't buy anything off TikTok Shop.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:39]:
Have you ever gotten something good off of TikTok shop?
Leslie Johnston [00:03:41]:
No, I wouldn't even know how to purchase. I mean, I know there's a button to purchase me. I feel like if I put. Yeah, I feel. It feels very like, sheen to me, which I know some people have good things on she. I just have never.
Morgan May Treuil [00:03:53]:
Is it she in or is it sheen? Which one is it? I've always wondered. I've never been confident enough.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:01]:
What would your gut tell you?
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:02]:
It reads sheen. Because my gut says if it was sheen, it would be spelled like S.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:07]:
H E E N. Yeah, I know. I think it's sheen.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:11]:
I think it's sheen too. But we could be very wrong, but we might be confidently claiming something that's not true.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:17]:
I, I have gone into the mode now where I' I like, I bought an Amazon like long sleeve striped shirt and it came in and I'm like, I'll keep it because it's like cheap and I actually like the look of it, but the quality is just not that good. I'd honestly rather have way less clothes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:34]:
Yep.
Leslie Johnston [00:04:35]:
But invest a little bit more into what now. My investment is not like a lot, but I would rather buy less and have better stuff that lasts longer.
Morgan May Treuil [00:04:44]:
Yes. Do you follow that girl? I don't know her name. She lives in San Francisco and she is maybe the wealthiest girl that exists ever. And she has, she does her shopping hauls basically every day. And it's Hermes this. Oh my God, it's Van Cleef this. And she's into like high jewelry and all this stuff. Whoa.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:10]:
No.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:10]:
And her fiance just, or her husband now just buys her new stuff every single day. We were talking about money last night in our small group and I was just like, oh, it'd be so nice to just have, just have a lot of. Have a lot of. Nope. And it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be because I, I'm, I watch people get all this stuff and I'm like, where is this stuff going? Where are you putting this stuff?
Leslie Johnston [00:05:30]:
Yeah. There is a part of me that like watches some of these TikTok videos where they are buying like all designer stuff and they just look a little sad. Like it's like you, you're like not doing anything. It's like you're just buying like high design. Like when people have those massive hauls where it's like, even the Christmas ones where it's like a 15 year old girl and she's just like going through her haul and it's like, oh yeah, I got this, you know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:05:57]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:05:57]:
Chanel bag and this and it's just like being thrown behind her and I'm like, I don't feel like, I mean some people, I know some people who have like come into money and they've done a really good job of it where they're like, hey, I can spend a lot but I can also. But they're like doing cool things. Like they just went and got like a job and they just went and did this because they're like, I want to like use my life, which I respect a ton.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:18]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:18]:
And then I think there's some people who are just like, I'm just spending to fill A hole somewhere.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:23]:
And I'm like, oh, what's your Christian hot take on spending money on, like, designer things and really nice cars? And, like, you know, I'm talking about, like, when pastors get a lot of grief because they have really nice shoes or.
Leslie Johnston [00:06:39]:
Yep.
Morgan May Treuil [00:06:40]:
It's like a stewardship, especially because you and I both, like, our salaries come from the church. What's your. What's your hot take on expenses like that?
Leslie Johnston [00:06:48]:
This is something I've thought a lot about because growing up as a pastor's kid, we. I mean, my parents always drove, like, used cars, but my dad was really good at finding a deal. Like, he found a deal on a. A car that looked fancy. Think it was like a really old, like, 2000. I mean, honestly, I think it was like a 2007 Lexus, but it was a convertible, so it looked fancy. And honestly, they made the cars back then. They just looked cooler.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:16]:
So he has this little car, and I remember when he bought that car, people giving us so much crap for it. Like, even people like my age were just like, oh, wow, your dad driving a Whatever car. And I was like, your car. Caught your Toyota Corolla costs way more than he got that car for.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:35]:
Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:35]:
Like, he got that car for, like, under $7,000. I'm like, yeah, he literally is just a smart, like, spender in that way. And so I remember being so mad. Like, why is everybody being so judgmental of how someone. And you also have no idea how that person actually purchased that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:07:53]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:07:54]:
Or how, like, you just have no idea. Like, maybe it was a gift or maybe they are just really good savers or whatever. And I just feel like a lot of people. I guess my hot take is, like, people hold pastors now. I understand there's like a biblical, like, holding somebody to a standard, but I think a lot of people hold their pastors to standards they never hold.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:18]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:18]:
And it's like, well, he shouldn't be driving that car. Or, like, they shouldn't be doing whatever. And I'm like, but you are doing that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:26]:
Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:26]:
What makes them different from you? Yeah, like, and I get the jobs are different, but, like, if we know that, like, everything is above board here and everything is very.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:35]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:35]:
Then, like, why does it matter?
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:36]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:08:37]:
I just think people love to find, like, a.
Morgan May Treuil [00:08:39]:
We spend a little too much time looking, like, I think people spend a little too much time looking side to side and, like, analyzing everybody's situation. And I think because of the nature of, you know, like, the pastoral, you know, my. My tithe Pays your salary kind of a vibe. I think people sometimes feel like a little extra. I don't know, like, they have a little extra enchantment to. And not in a good way. I'm saying, like, where they feel like they have a little extra say to be able to, like, comment on your life, not just finances, but comment on, like, just things in your life in general. And I don't remember ever thinking about this growing up because, again, my parents didn't, like, drive.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:20]:
You know, everyone drove, like, pretty modest cars, like, all used cars. I think my dad drove the same truck for, like, years and years and years until finally he decided to get an F150. And I remember, like, getting nice gifts for Christmas. And my parents never really said anything, you know, like, about how we were to, like, do you wear it? Do you not wear it? Do you wear it at church? Do you know where to church, whatever. I remember wanting a Gucci belt when I was working at my last church. You remember when the Gucci belts were a big deal?
Leslie Johnston [00:09:52]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:09:52]:
And I wanted it because I loved the way that it looked, and I wanted a real one. And I remember my mom being like, you're in ministry. You can't. Like, where are you gonna wear it? And I'm like, oh, I'll wear it to work, because that's, like, the place where I should dress up.
Leslie Johnston [00:10:06]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:07]:
And she's like, no one. Like. And that's not. Like, people aren't gonna respect that. And then it kind of, like, it sparks that thought in you of, like, okay, but. But shouldn't people kind of. You know, obviously you have close friends that come alongside you and you invite them to speak into your life and how you, you know, steward your. Your time and your finances and stuff.
Morgan May Treuil [00:10:26]:
But I'm like, are we kind of looking at each other a little bit too much? Like, why do I have time to look at how somebody spends their money and judge it? Now, if. If you see somebody that, like, is online and they're getting. They're flashing all of their for sure designer stuff every single day, like, the thousands and thousands of dollars of luxury whatevers. It's like, I think the Christian instruction, obviously, in proverbs speaks a lot about money. And, you know, we can't take it with us, obviously, is a huge aspect to this, and we should store up our treasures in heaven where it's actually gonna last and count. Yeah, like, all of those things are true. But I do think that. I don't think it's a bad thing to occasionally spend Money on something that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:13]:
Yeah, you want or that's good. And I think if everyone's doing their own due diligence, to check, like, is money an idol for me? Am I spending too much? Am I spending a lot of things on. Or, like, does my spending outweigh my generosity? Or does my generosity outweigh my spending? I think that's, like, that's yours to deal with with you and the Holy Spirit.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:33]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:11:34]:
But it is funny how it's like, it's such a public thing, what you wear. And everybody knows what's from where. And I don't know. It's weird.
Leslie Johnston [00:11:42]:
And obviously, I get when. I understand when people go. Because I felt this way at churches I've been at in the past where. Or even other pastors I see online or something, and I go, oh, like someone. I'm very conscious, especially working in ministry, to me, I'm very con. I have a hard time saying that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:02]:
Conscientious.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:03]:
Conscious. Conscious.
Morgan May Treuil [00:12:05]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:06]:
I'm very conscious of the fact that a lot of people. Well, probably everybody, to some extent, is sacrificing so they can tithe. And that's, like, very, like, an honoring thing to do. So, therefore, we as people in ministry need to treat every single dollar that we spend of the church's money as if someone had sacrificed their last dollar to give. So to me, I agree. Like, I'm not one to go like, oh, I'm just gonna go, you know, buy myself lunch every day, or I'm gonna go buy. Like, I don't do that. Cause I'm like, this is the church's money.
Leslie Johnston [00:12:41]:
This is God's money. Like, I need to spend this very wisely. Now, I think the problem I think we get into is when people go, well, I'm judging this pastor or that pastor, because it's my tithe money I'm giving, Right. I started to go like, is it your money, though?
Morgan May Treuil [00:13:00]:
Yeah. Or is it.
Leslie Johnston [00:13:02]:
Or is it God's money? Because, like, if I have watched some people use their tithe as, like, a way to control the church. And that, to me, is such a dangerous spot to be, because your tithes should be given as a gift to God. And then if you're not at a church where you trust that they're using their tithe, well, maybe you should go to a different church, or maybe you should. Or you could talk to somebody or whatever and get clarity. But to me, if you're at a church and you're like, hey, I love the pastors at this church. I love this church, their staff, and I know that they're doing a decent job with money, considering everybody's still human and people may make mistakes or whatever. But I just think if we need to start letting, like, we can't use our tithe as, like a weapon in the church. And I also think if you respect your pastors or whoever and you know their heart, to me, I think we just get really quick and it's an easy conversation, I find with people of like, oh, well, this person drives this car.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:06]:
This. How much. How much do you think this pastor makes? How much do you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:14:09]:
Whatever.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:09]:
And I understand that there's fringe, there's extremes. Like, there's some pastors out there where they're like, doing second offerings for their jet. And I'm like, I don't see how this, like, really works personally. But I also don't know the scenario. So. But. So there's some. Where you're like, yeah, that's a bad look.
Leslie Johnston [00:14:28]:
Yeah, that's a really bad look. Or they're like, so flashy with what they're wearing. My dad always, like, so growing up, I remember talking to him because I had saved up to buy, like, my first car out of college, and I. There was a certain used car I want, and I was like, this is cheaper than going and getting a new, like, Toyota, whatever. And I was like, I can buy this used, and I really like it. And it was a great conversation between me and I think probably my parents at the time. Cause my dad was really good about not trying to put pressure on us just because we were like, pastor's kids or whatever. But he did have a good, like, hey, you don't want to, like, cause people to necessarily question things, but at the same time, like, you can't live your life always just afraid of whatever what other people think.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:19]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:20]:
And I actually ended up not getting the car because I was like, I don't. Like, I. I have one too many times, like, driven in somewhere and someone's like, whoa. Which I don't even. I didn't even drive a crazy car. It was like a Ford Edge or something. Yeah. But people are like, whoa, guess.
Leslie Johnston [00:15:34]:
And it's like. I just think sometimes I'm like, yeah, it does get annoying after a while. But yeah, so there's that. That line I think you need to ride when you're in ministry of like, I don't want to cause somebody to stumble. Not in a weird way, but in like a. I don't want them to have something to talk about.
Morgan May Treuil [00:15:49]:
Well, yeah, I think the stumbling idea, it applies across a few different kind of spaces. But, but I do, I do think that there are people who really struggle with their financial situation and they struggle with a lot of bitterness and jealousy and comparison. And so I can totally see it being something.
Leslie Johnston [00:16:05]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:16:05]:
Where, you know, back to the, to the Gucci belt situation or the car situation, like me driving this really fancy car or me wearing this belt that's like really expensive and everybody knows that it's expensive or I don't know, like constantly flaunting lavish vacations or something. Like anything that you're doing in a public facing way that could cause people to stumble or be discontent with their situation. There's a reason why in Scripture, like, especially, you know, when we're talking about, they're dealing with the whole like, Jew gentile relationship with food because the Jews had these restrictions around food and what they could eat because of their culture and their tradition. The Gentiles didn't have those same restrictions. And the question was like, well, why can they do things that we can't do? Right? And it's like at the end of the day, your, the goal is not to take away your freedoms, to do what you want with what you have. But if you belong to the body of Christ and you care about your brothers and sisters in Christ and you don't want people to stumble.
Leslie Johnston [00:17:04]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:17:04]:
If you, it's the same thing as being like, hey, I'm going out to dinner with an alcoholic and they've been sober for 10 years. Like, is it, is it the kindest thing for them for me to order a drink at dinner? Like, do I. Yeah. Do I need to have a drink at dinner that much to where I'm willing to put somebody who for sure struggles with that in a lifelong way through that situation. And so I think the, there's, there is the thought there that you just talked about that's really wise that says there are people that really do struggle with their financial situation and it's an idol for them. So for me to do something, you know, really public that reminds them of how unsatisfied they are with their financial situation, maybe that's me, you know, taking care of a fellow brother or sister or just not causing distraction, you know, I think that there's like some. And that doesn't mean that you, you become obsessed with what people think or you don't make decisions because of what people think, you know, like. Yeah, like there's.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:01]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:01]:
Anyways, I think it's a hot button topic and I mean, there's a lot of topics out right now that are very hot button, but I think the nice, the, the good way to approach it would be. Okay. Personally, where do I fall on how I see. Like, since we're talking about people in ministry, it's like, do I fall on the very, very, like, oh, no, every. It's all fine, like, everything's good. Or do I fall on the side of, like, I'm very critical.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:31]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:32]:
And maybe just challenging yourself in the way of, like, for me, if you, if you're really. If you find yourself being hypercritical of even. Not even not ministry, like, judging somebody else for what they're spending on something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:18:46]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:18:47]:
One thing I've, I've always thought of too, because I loved to shop, especially when I had a lot more money before I got a house. And I was like, I love to, like, go to the mall, get something new. And I remember one time someone talking to me and kind of being like, wow, you spend your money, like, on clothes. Like, oh, must be nice to whatever, like, made some comment and it was a person that spent a lot of money on, like, outdoor, like, fishing stuff. And I was like, oh, how much did you spend, like, on your stuff you're doing, like, with the fishing stuff? And it's like, way more than what I was spending on this.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:25]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:26]:
And it's just funny. Like, I think sometimes we in our mind categorize things as, like, that's so superficial.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:31]:
That's worth it to spend money on.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:32]:
That girl wants a Gucci belt. She is rich and whatever. And I'm like, but you might have just spent 500 on a new bike.
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:38]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:39]:
So, like, what's different?
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:40]:
Yeah, what's different?
Leslie Johnston [00:19:41]:
What's different?
Morgan May Treuil [00:19:42]:
The difference is that you think that's a worthy way to spend your time and your finances, but you think that mine's not.
Leslie Johnston [00:19:47]:
But, like, if you don't ride a bike, like, you don't need a 500 bike, like, that would be dumb. So I think sometimes we need to stop judging other people for what they choose to spend their money on that brings them joy. Because you are spending your money on something that brings you joy.
Morgan May Treuil [00:20:01]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:20:02]:
And I also think there's also a case where it's like, jealousy creeps in people. I mean, I hear a lot. Like, now I understand there's like, you don't want to be tone deaf, but at the same time, some people just do have more. They can spend money on that or buying that bike or the Gucci belt or whatever. And it's like, you know what? That doesn't. You have. You can choose to not let that affect you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:20:26]:
You know, what's your personal philosophy like, for your life and morality and faith on watching reality TV shows? Or I'm thinking, like, we just had a new season of Love is Blind come out. Yeah. Which every season, I feel like they push the envelope a little bit more in terms of some raunchy stuff. Like, there was a scene that I watched this season where I was like, wow, this is really gross and kind of intimate, kind of graphic and. Or like, Dancing with the Stars or whatever. I feel like Christians, I'm always reminded when it comes to Halloween because there's always.
Leslie Johnston [00:21:05]:
I love the way you say Halloween.
Morgan May Treuil [00:21:07]:
How do you say it?
Leslie Johnston [00:21:07]:
Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween.
Morgan May Treuil [00:21:15]:
I feel like. I feel like I'm always reminded of. Of all the. All the lines. And I'm not making a stance on whether the lines that you draw are good or bad, because I think everybody in the Holy Spirit works together to discuss what their lines are. But when Halloween comes around, I feel like I always have these conversations with people about, you know, we shouldn't be celebrating Halloween. We shouldn't be engaging. And then it was just.
Morgan May Treuil [00:21:37]:
I was. I was connecting dots to a couple other things that it feels like Christians on TikTok right now are very outspoken against. What's your personal philosophy on, like. Yeah, like, engaging with pop culture, TV shows, artists, like, new album drops. I don't know. How do you do that?
Leslie Johnston [00:21:56]:
Well, I do think. Speaking for me, because I do think there are different lines, maybe for different people and what they struggle with.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:05]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:06]:
Like someone who, you know, maybe really, really struggles with, like, pornography. Some of these reality TV shows, you shouldn't watch because if that's gonna lead you into temptation, then you should probably not. Like, you need to know yourself and know, like, the lines that you draw.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:23]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:25]:
But I personally love reality tv.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:28]:
I.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:30]:
This is horrible. I told Michael the other day, I said, honestly, and this is not true.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:35]:
This is me being very.
Leslie Johnston [00:22:36]:
Just funny and honest. I was like, I think I'm a better person when I watch reality tv because I'm getting my fill of, like, the drama from these scenarios that I don't know them at all. Instead of trying to gossip about other people that I know, you feel like you get your. I get my fill.
Morgan May Treuil [00:22:55]:
You watching reality TV prevents you from gossiping. You're like this preserve. At least that's what I told myself.
Leslie Johnston [00:23:02]:
No, but for real, I do think we grew up watching reality tv, like, not Like, a crazy amount. But we started watching the Bachelor when I was in high school, and we would watch it with my parents, and my dad was a pastor, and a lot of people were like, wait, what? Like, you shouldn't be able to watch that. Yeah, but my dad would stop it every, like, once in a while during the episode. He, like, always had the remote, and he would stop it and be like, what's wrong with this scenario? Like, you would watch it and make fun of it or watch it and be like, that's ridiculous. My dad used it as, like, a teaching moment at certain times.
Morgan May Treuil [00:23:35]:
It's like a sermon illustration.
Leslie Johnston [00:23:36]:
A sermon illustration. Yes. And the other thing that I respect that he did was my dad probably would have not started watching the Bachelor without us.
Morgan May Treuil [00:23:44]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:23:44]:
It's not like he just loved reality tv, but he loved us, and he wanted to meet us and our friends at our level and have an influence on what we were watching without trying to go, like, you can't watch this, because you know what they're gonna do? They're gonna go to someone else's house and watch it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:24:00]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:24:00]:
But to me, it was the perfect. Like, I think a lot of times as Christians, we're so, like, you should never. Which again. And everyone has their own limits. But I think Christians are so easy to go. I'm not touching anything. I'm not, like, watching anything. I'm not hearing anything, just so I can stay perfectly holy all the time.
Leslie Johnston [00:24:22]:
And I'm like. But there's a difference between, like, being, like, in the world and not of it and kind of, like just choosing to not even engage with the world that I felt like, even growing up watching the Bachelor, there was nothing crazy happening on there necessarily. It kind of got crazier later. But to me, it felt like, oh, I watched my dad go, I'm gonna be in this scenario with this group, and I'm gonna help them think better about this. But still, like, have fun and enjoy it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:24:55]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:24:56]:
But instead of just going like, oh, well, I'm not gonna say so to me, honestly, I feel like I liked that. I think I could stand by that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:05]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:25:06]:
Instead of, like, putting your head in the sand and being like, I'm never hearing anything from the world or anything, it's like, why don't. When you do that, even in your mind, even if you're watching by yourself, it's like, okay, But I know this isn't, like, this scenario that I'm watching. This reality TV show is not actually the way that I should live or like, we always said, we're like, the Bachelor's a great, like, prescription of what not to do.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:29]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:25:30]:
Like, how not to live.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:31]:
No. A hundred percent. Yeah. I. I think that that is pretty spot on for how I feel about it. I grew up watching stuff with my parents, too. Probably like, you know, we were laughing the other day on the phone because I had. I've just finished rewatching Pretty Little Liars again, which is such a wild ride.
Morgan May Treuil [00:25:51]:
And just. And I think about the first time that I watched it, and I was in high school, I was like, we were watching this with my mom and my sisters, and it was just like, I'm like, how are we? What are we doing?
Leslie Johnston [00:26:03]:
Yes.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:04]:
But again, it was like that open dialogue, those open conversations. And I came to recognize my mom in those situations as, okay, my mom is not somebody who, you know, takes herself off limits from some of these conversations that we want to have. And we were able to always ask really honest conversations to our. Or always have really honest conversations, ask really honest questions to my parents. And it never felt like anything was off limits. So I actually really did appreciate the same thing where it's like, okay, well, at least that my. My parents are not so separate from what I'm seeing that I can't engage with them on it. And I feel like there's.
Morgan May Treuil [00:26:42]:
I'm not claiming that what, like, we're taught the stance we're talking about is the right way to do it because, again, you. You have to decide, you and the Holy Spirit, what's okay. But I do think a complete lack of awareness and shielding from culture doesn't make us better ministers to culture, for sure. And so what I struggle with is obviously there is the instruction to be separate from sin. And I believe in that wholeheartedly and want to separate myself and my family from the schemes of the enemy and sin, which entangles and traps us. And it's all very subtle. So I. I understand sometimes the severe caution that people put up.
Leslie Johnston [00:27:31]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:27:31]:
Against certain things, because what we fail to realize and are naive towards is the underlying power of the enemy to try to get at us. So I'm sure there's things that I participate in unknowingly that I'm not even. I'm not even aware are, like, not good for me. That, um. So I. I understand the extreme stance of, like, I'm going to create complete and total separation. What I struggle with a little bit is when you watch, you know, Jesus and his time on Earth, he wasn't so separate from the world or the people of the world that he was unaware of what was involved and what was going on. And I think about, like, for example, you know, I do ministry to young adults.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:14]:
And I think if I got rid of my television and went into like total hermit mode and just read my Bible, you know, cover to cover all day, every single day. If I never had another Spotify playlist of music, that if I, if I was just. If I shut myself off from the world completely.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:32]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:32]:
Then you have no influence with the world. You have no awareness for what the world needs. And that is also not great because how are you going to reach a world that you don't know? Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:28:43]:
For sure.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:44]:
And I think that, like, God's very much aware of the holes that are present in people's hearts and what they're trying to fill themselves with. So why would we so remove ourselves from even like, visualizing what culture is doing?
Leslie Johnston [00:28:58]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:28:59]:
Now, I'm not saying that you need to go watch Love island because there are things where I'm like, I watch this and all I see here is like, you're commercializing and, you know, like being provocative with sex. And it's like, okay, I see no reason to engage with something like this because it's, it's just a big sexual play because sex sells and they just want to get that in front of people's faces.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:21]:
I draw the line at Love Island. I will say that I don't watch.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:24]:
Honestly, any, any like reality TV show where the whole goal.
Leslie Johnston [00:29:29]:
There's like other ones where like, they switch partners or they like date someone and it's ultimatum. I don't watch. But to be honest, I think those are just trap. Like, the trashy ones don't like, appeal to me.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:40]:
They don't appeal. And I think, I think that this is the difference. Right. It's like, I think the, the why of what you're watching. So first of all, I would say, like, we're, we're meant to fight for our own purity. So there was not like, when we were growing up, there was a big fast forward movement in the house and we fast forwarded through things that were not. Yeah, great. Okay.
Morgan May Treuil [00:29:59]:
I'm not making a stance about whether this is correct or not. 100 but I am saying, like, you know, there, there are certain shows where you're like, this is actually like. To hear the way that people think about some of these things is very interesting. Love is Blind is a really good example to me of like, the, the premise of the show is interesting to Me, like, can you form a connection? When can you form a connection, like, sight unseen? Physical attraction is not playing a factor in it. For the first, you know, two weeks of you even knowing each other, you can't touch. You can't.
Leslie Johnston [00:30:31]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:30:31]:
See anything. It's just emotional. And I'm like, I'm fascinated by that. And then to hear all of the emotional questions that are asked at the very beginning of their dating relationship where there's no physical engagement whatsoever, it's a really interesting way to date. And it's, it's a, it's a, you know, pods filled with people from all different backgrounds and all different religions and faith journeys and all those things. And I'm like, I'm fascinated by that. And I always, like, I learned something from, like, what the world is thinking about and what the world wants, what matters to people.
Leslie Johnston [00:31:05]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:31:06]:
And I feel like if we were to totally divorce ourselves from understanding that stuff, we would not really be. We probably wouldn't be as effective in knowing what people. But then again, the extremists are going to listen to this and be like, that's such a cop out answer for like, you wanting to watch Love is Blind because you really shouldn't have anything to do with that. And I don't know, I. I find myself kind of like more in the middle of that.
Leslie Johnston [00:31:32]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:31:34]:
Like, I. Yeah, I don't know.
Leslie Johnston [00:31:35]:
I just think it really comes down. I think the main thing I hope people take away from this is that it does slightly depend on you. And I know a lot of the extremists are going to be like, that's a cop out. Like, people just say it doesn't affect. But I do think if you are like, to me, I grew up watching a lot of Law and Order when I was little, like, starting probably at like too young, like, because my parents would watch it, I would like sneak into the room and I would watch Law and Order. And I grew up so fearful. Like, I was so afraid I was gonna get kidnapped. I was so afraid someone was gonna die.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:10]:
And then I remember when I. My parents just like, loved crime shows like that. And so then I remember when I was old enough where, like, I just didn't always watch what they were watching. All of a sudden I was like, man, I am not afraid. Like, I'm like, living pretty carefree, not realizing that that was the source of it. Because then when I started, like when crime shows and crime podcasts started becoming a thing, I started like, listening to them.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:34]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:34]:
And then I was like, terrified to, like, walk.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:36]:
Yeah. You're back in the same.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:37]:
I was like, yeah. Oh. What you fill your mind with does dictate a lot of how you feel and how you respond.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:45]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:46]:
And so that taught me that there's certain things. I know other people, they listen to crime shows as they fall asleep. Don't know how they do that. You are. You're probably one of them.
Morgan May Treuil [00:32:55]:
Not as I fall asleep, but every other minute, basically.
Leslie Johnston [00:32:57]:
But you could, you could watch a lot of those and you're like, I'm fine.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:01]:
In some ways, to me, that actually feels like the better choice of entertainment than other things for me.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:07]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:08]:
Like that I feel less gross after listening to those things than I would like a romance book.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:13]:
Yeah. Seat. I feel like that is a good example of like, for you, crime shows, all that. That doesn't like, negatively necessarily affect you, right? For me it does. So I have to draw the line in myself. Like, I tell Morgan, I'm like, I'm not watching that.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:28]:
I can't.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:28]:
I can't watch that movie.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:30]:
Or I can't watch. No. It's just a kidnapping of a young girl. You're good, you're saying.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:36]:
And so to me, it's like I'll have nightmares and I'll think about any ruin, like my next week. So I think you need to just know yourself.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:43]:
Will you watch Cocaine Bear with me?
Leslie Johnston [00:33:45]:
Is that the bear that, like, eats coke?
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:47]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:33:47]:
And goes crazy? I'd watch a bear movie.
Morgan May Treuil [00:33:50]:
It's a cocaine bear, though. I think it kills a bunch of people. Is that fine?
Leslie Johnston [00:33:55]:
Yeah. Because that seems like that's not going to happen to me and I won't do that. You know, I'm always afraid I'm going.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:01]:
To do what somebody does. I want someone to watch Cocaine Bear with me. So maybe that's when you came here with you. Okay, good. Benji thinks it's too stupid.
Leslie Johnston [00:34:08]:
Maybe that's what you want. Maybe we'll watch Cocaine Bear on the first night in your new house.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:12]:
That would be awesome.
Leslie Johnston [00:34:12]:
That would be fun.
Morgan May Treuil [00:34:13]:
That'd be so funny.
Leslie Johnston [00:34:14]:
So, yeah, I just think it, it's. It depends on the person, but something that I really agree with you that has been bugging me a little bit and I don't know, I'm not going to put it well here because I hope I don't say something I don't mean to say, but I feel like recently in the last couple months, I have seen a lot of stuff online of Christians. Christians who are making hard stances on things and almost Blanketing it. That everybody needs to be doing that or thinking the exact same way. And I watch Christians be like, yeah, kind of like, finally, like a Christian who stands up for these things, which a lot of that stuff I agree with. But I found that I feel like a lot of Christians right now are giving off the vibe of like, I'm up here on my high horse and the rest of the world is like, gone to hell. Like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:06]:
Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:35:06]:
And some of it, obviously there are a lot of things, a lot of stuff happening. I'm not saying. I'm not making a stance on anything specifically. What I don't love is that I don't think that's how Jesus walked around. I don't. Jesus was perfect, didn't sin, but he. He was actually hanging out with the people who were sinners. I feel like I'm seeing a lot of people who are corralling and I'm.
Leslie Johnston [00:35:30]:
I'm one of them too. But it's like you. You corral with your Christian bubble and you don't even wanna touch anybody who's like, not thinking the same way as you.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:38]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:35:38]:
It's like these Christians, it's just like these blinders on of like, I'm just trying to get to heaven or I'm just trying to get to Tennessee or wherever God's country is. And I'm not willing to even, like, conversate in a way that Jesus would with other people.
Morgan May Treuil [00:35:56]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:35:56]:
Now I think we also have a lot of Christians who are not standing on any values and who are like, I'll be wishy washy and I'll just be like, yeah, floating around. And I'll believe anything the world wants me to believe because I want to be cool. And it's like, yeah, both are wrong.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:11]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:11]:
But I think there's a middle ground that we can meet in that goes. You can that phrase, like, hate the sinner or hate the sin.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:19]:
Hate the sin, love the sinner or something. Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:22]:
And I don't see a lot of that happening right now.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:24]:
That's a really, really good point. Everything in time right now feels really polarizing. And you don't really have anybody that's standing. I mean, maybe that's why we're so drawn to the middle, is because it feels like no one's sitting in the middle.
Leslie Johnston [00:36:35]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:36:35]:
Like, I. I was watching the reunion show of Love is Blind last night, and none of the couples stayed together through the, through the end of the show. None of them got married. None of them said yes at the altar. Shocking information. Right, Exactly. And one of the couples, the girl was basically saying the reason she said no is because she had learned some alarming information about her significant other that made her feel like he wasn't committed to his faith journey. And they had both talked about in the pods how they had recently recommitted to both of their faith journeys.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:11]:
But then at the same time, you watch the rest of the show and you're like, okay, but y' all aren't really living. Doing the faith journey thing, right? Like, you're still partying the entire time. You're still having sex before you're married. You're doing, like, it. It was. It was a full. It was a full. It was a very CAS take on, like.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:29]:
Yeah, but I wanted your morals to be a little bit better because, remember, we're reigniting our faith journey. I'm like, yeah, but you're not. So, like, you're doing the cr. The casual Christian thing where you like the idea of being a Christian, and yet with your life and your choices, you're going to do kind of the world thing. And that's that one side of the pendulum that I think really turns off some of the. The committed Christians. At the same time, on the very other side of all of that are these people that are like, we're just big. No people, you know, like, we're gonna isolate.
Morgan May Treuil [00:37:59]:
Be in Tennessee or, like, live on our compound or wherever we're gonna live. Yeah. And we're gonna be more.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:05]:
Which, again, we love people that live in Tennessee.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:07]:
We're not hating on the Tennessee issue. It's like a. It's like a. It's the bottom. I want to run away from the world.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:13]:
I want to run away from the world. Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:14]:
I want to run away from the world.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:15]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:15]:
And I want to shield my kids and my family from everything that exposes them to anything evil, which I have questions about that, too. Because then what happens when your kids get old enough and then they leave and then they haven't.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:30]:
Oh, yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:30]:
With the world.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:31]:
Don't. What is it? Don't determine the road for your kid, but prepare them for the road or something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:35]:
Yeah. I never heard. That's a great statement. I've never heard that. But that's. That's. That's kind of it. It's like, I don't know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:42]:
And I think that Christians right now, online, especially, like, I. You know, everyone was freaked out about Dancing with the Stars, Andy Richter doing that priest dance, like, ever. All the Christians were like, I'm so disappointed in Dancing with the Stars, because I guess it's a family show. And then that was the Halloween episode.
Leslie Johnston [00:38:58]:
Well, of course it's.
Morgan May Treuil [00:38:59]:
It's going to be weird. It's Halloween. Halloween. And also it's Dancing with the Stars, like, and I don't think Andy Rick.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:04]:
It's not Dancing with the Christians.
Morgan May Treuil [00:39:06]:
No. And he's a priest. That's. That's fighting with a demon. Like. Yeah, I mean, I understand that you're like. I understand that it's not portraying. I don't know.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:17]:
But Christians are. I feel like a lot of Christians are trying to control the behaviors of the world to make the world act like Christians when they're not.
Morgan May Treuil [00:39:28]:
Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:29]:
And they're. So don't be disappointed. When Dancing with the Stars does a Halloween episode. There's demons on it or.
Morgan May Treuil [00:39:34]:
I can't believe that Taylor Swift. Her album is so, you know, whatever. Like, there's some sexual parts to it. There's some curse words or all this stuff. No one should be letting their children listen to Taylor Swift. Okay, so then all I hear online are all the Christians saying all kinds of negative things and being very.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:51]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:39:52]:
Vocal about what they're against. Never went there for.
Leslie Johnston [00:39:54]:
Oh, yeah, totally.
Morgan May Treuil [00:39:56]:
And I just don't know if that actually, I like Taylor Swift. I've been listening to the Fate of Ophelia over and over again.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:03]:
Is that the one where has the.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:05]:
I don't know. It's the. Is it the dance?
Leslie Johnston [00:40:07]:
It's the dance, yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:08]:
It's the most popular song off the new album, I think, which makes me feel less. Yeah, it makes me feel less cool because it's the one that everyone's listening to.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:15]:
Taylor also does an album where she doesn't just, like, bleep out to the curse words, but she actually changes them for different words. And like, even the Knock On Wood song, she changes, like, the things. The things she says in there to not be sexual. See, so there's options.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:33]:
There's options. And also, like, again, why do you expect Taylor Swift to be a Christian when she's not? And is she a Christian?
Leslie Johnston [00:40:43]:
I don't know.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:43]:
I don't know if she is. But it's like, that's ob. It's not her lane.
Leslie Johnston [00:40:46]:
Yeah. It's also not our lane to decide, like, if someone is or isn't a Christian.
Morgan May Treuil [00:40:51]:
Yeah. But, like, also, why would she. Why would she not create an album where she uses cuss words and things?
Leslie Johnston [00:40:58]:
And if you have a personal conviction about you don't want to listen to Taylor Swift, you Don't have to.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:03]:
Right.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:03]:
But that doesn't necessarily mean that you can put that conviction that you have that has to do with you and the Holy Spirit on every single other Christian.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:14]:
I guess I just want Christians to be online and not say. Not just spew negativity about all the things they're condemning. Yeah. Because I'm not. I'm not asking for everybody to get online and be like, okay, like, I really appreciate this about Taylor Swift. You actually don't have to talk about her at all.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:35]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:36]:
But I just feel like everything I see right now online is just so.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:39]:
Well, doesn't it suck that, like, I'm sure Taylor Swift just thinks Christians are the meanest people.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:44]:
Yes. Because all we do is. Is vocal. Be vocal about how much we hate her and think everyone should keep their children from listening to her music.
Leslie Johnston [00:41:51]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:41:52]:
And it's like, why? Well, okay, then don't let your kids listen to it. But also, you could just not talk about it at all online. Like, there's no reason to. Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:01]:
You can talk with your friends about it if you feel like you need to do that. But it's like spewing online, just. Yeah. It's a whole.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:09]:
I don't know.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:10]:
And then again, so known for what they're against and not what they're for. And I don't think anyone would have said that about Jesus.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:15]:
This is why I'm so thankful for grace and the gospel, though, because even as we're talking, I'm like, I know that there's things that will get to heaven and God will be like, yeah, but you kind of got this wrong. And I'm like, yeah, no. And then at the same time, I feel like all the extremists also get a lot of things wrong. And then the very casual people get a lot of like. I just think there's. There's. Honestly, there's. Because of how fallen and broken and messed up the world is, we'll all get there and we'll be like, I did just.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:40]:
I just fly.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:41]:
Like, come on in, come on in. Come on.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:43]:
No one got it right. No.
Leslie Johnston [00:42:45]:
Right.
Morgan May Treuil [00:42:45]:
But that's kind of why I'm passionate about this, because I feel like if we all know that none of us are getting it exactly right. It's not that we don't fight for holiness. It's just that we show a little bit more grace and empathy and compassion with how we talk about it, and we just don't sound very compassionate right now.
Leslie Johnston [00:43:00]:
And if your fight for holiness is actually separating you from. From bringing people to Jesus. I don't know if your pursuit of holiness is greater than bringing people to Jesus.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:16]:
Yeah.
Leslie Johnston [00:43:17]:
Like, if we're supposed to bring people to Jesus, how can you live your life in a way and that is also being set apart? That's not a free pass to be like, go get drunk and sleep around, because that's going to bring people to Jesus. But it's like, no. How can. But. But is your holiness getting to a point? Or you're thinking you're holy because we're all sinners, but is yours actually. And the way you go about it actually separating you in a way where you don't even have the ability to bring someone to know Jesus?
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:45]:
Yeah. If your pursuit of holiness separates you so much from everything that you no longer take the Great Commission as instruction for you, but you're just hiding somewhere in a holy bubble.
Leslie Johnston [00:43:58]:
Yeah.
Morgan May Treuil [00:43:59]:
Then that, in essence, is not fighting for your personal holiness because you're missing out on a huge part of what you were called to do on earth.
Leslie Johnston [00:44:06]:
And if your pursuit of holiness is more about you, if you take, like a deep look, more about you trying to earn your faith or earn your salvation than just going, I'm trying to be holy because I want to be like Jesus. Yep, that's a good thing. Like, that's the thing that we should all be striving for. Not only because God wants us to do that, but also because that truly is the best way to live, whether the world sees it that way or not. So we're big proponents of, like, hey, try to be like Jesus as much as possible. But if you're doing it in order to think, okay, well, I've got this in the bag. Like, I earned this.
Morgan May Treuil [00:44:44]:
Yes.
Leslie Johnston [00:44:45]:
You can't. Yes, you can't earn it.
Morgan May Treuil [00:44:47]:
It's great. I love it.
Leslie Johnston [00:44:49]:
It's good.
Morgan May Treuil [00:44:50]:
Pop culture. Pop culture. Hot take episode for you. Thank you guys so much for listening. And we love you guys. And please keep in mind, part of the am I doing this right? Mission is to have conversations where we sort through what we're thinking and kind of how we're shaping, informing our beliefs. That's. That's the whole point of the title, is that we're not coming on, claiming to be experts or fully decided on something.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:16]:
We're figuring it out. So if anything you heard, you're like, I don't really agree with that. That's actually great because we're here to form what we think, not just, like, spew what we've decided is true. And so anyways, just so you know and so you can follow, they really disagree with us.
Leslie Johnston [00:45:34]:
They probably are off by now.
Morgan May Treuil [00:45:35]:
Yeah, I'm not gonna disclaimers at the end, unfortunately, you're gone. That's it. So we'll see you guys next week. And follow us on Instagram at amidoingthis right.